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Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 3:35 pm Post subject: [asterisk-biz] Colocation and Bandwidth in HK |
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$60 per *MB*? is that a typo?
--- On Tue, 5/20/08, Sam Tam <samtam888@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: | From: Sam Tam <samtam888@gmail.com>
Subject: [asterisk-biz] Colocation and Bandwidth in HK
To: "'Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion'" <asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com>
Date: Tuesday, May 20, 2008, 12:14 PM
We have just rent a few racks from a small Hong Kong based
Datacenter.
If anyone require off-site backup or adding servers in Hong
Kong then you
are welcomed to email me off the list to discuss the
detail.
Price per U is $35 USD and bandwidth is $60 USD per mb.
Price included APC remote reboot switch and limited usage
on KVM over IP>
Sam_______________________________________________
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samtam888 at gmail.com Guest
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Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 3:52 pm Post subject: [asterisk-biz] Colocation and Bandwidth in HK |
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Mbit
Yes that the price in HK, HK is unlike USA or UK and many Europe countries
where bandwidth price is still quite costly.
However it is still one of the cheapest place in Asia to get bandwidth
Sam
-----Original Message-----
From: asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Nitzan Kon
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:28 AM
To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Colocation and Bandwidth in HK
$60 per *MB*? is that a typo?
--- On Tue, 5/20/08, Sam Tam <samtam888@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: | From: Sam Tam <samtam888@gmail.com>
Subject: [asterisk-biz] Colocation and Bandwidth in HK
To: "'Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion'"
| <asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com>
Quote: | Date: Tuesday, May 20, 2008, 12:14 PM
We have just rent a few racks from a small Hong Kong based
Datacenter.
If anyone require off-site backup or adding servers in Hong
Kong then you
are welcomed to email me off the list to discuss the
detail.
Price per U is $35 USD and bandwidth is $60 USD per mb.
Price included APC remote reboot switch and limited usage
on KVM over IP>
Sam_______________________________________________
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http://www.api-digital.com--
asterisk-biz mailing list
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dome at tel.co.th Guest
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Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 10:14 pm Post subject: [asterisk-biz] Colocation and Bandwidth in HK |
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60 Usd / Mbps is cheap if you compare in thailand.
Now i pay 600 Usd / Mbps (For good Quality International Link)
Dome C.
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 3:45 AM, Sam Tam <samtam888@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: | Mbit
Yes that the price in HK, HK is unlike USA or UK and many Europe countries
where bandwidth price is still quite costly.
However it is still one of the cheapest place in Asia to get bandwidth
Sam
-----Original Message-----
From: asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Nitzan Kon
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:28 AM
To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Colocation and Bandwidth in HK
$60 per *MB*? is that a typo?
--- On Tue, 5/20/08, Sam Tam <samtam888@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: | From: Sam Tam <samtam888@gmail.com>
Subject: [asterisk-biz] Colocation and Bandwidth in HK
To: "'Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion'"
| <asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com>
Quote: | Date: Tuesday, May 20, 2008, 12:14 PM
We have just rent a few racks from a small Hong Kong based
Datacenter.
If anyone require off-site backup or adding servers in Hong
Kong then you
are welcomed to email me off the list to discuss the
detail.
Price per U is $35 USD and bandwidth is $60 USD per mb.
Price included APC remote reboot switch and limited usage
on KVM over IP>
Sam_______________________________________________
--Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by
http://www.api-digital.com--
asterisk-biz mailing list
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thp at westhawk.co.uk Guest
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 12:07 pm Post subject: [asterisk-biz] Colocation and Bandwidth in HK |
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Now I'm very confused.
Are we talking Mega Bytes ?
or Mega Bytes Per Second ?
Mega Bytes per month ?
or something else again?
T.
On 21 May 2008, at 04:08, Dome Charoenyost wrote:
Quote: | 60 Usd / Mbps is cheap if you compare in thailand.
Now i pay 600 Usd / Mbps (For good Quality International Link)
Dome C.
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 3:45 AM, Sam Tam <samtam888@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: | Mbit
Yes that the price in HK, HK is unlike USA or UK and many Europe
countries
where bandwidth price is still quite costly.
However it is still one of the cheapest place in Asia to get
bandwidth
Sam
-----Original Message-----
From: asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Nitzan
Kon
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:28 AM
To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Colocation and Bandwidth in HK
$60 per *MB*? is that a typo?
--- On Tue, 5/20/08, Sam Tam <samtam888@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: | From: Sam Tam <samtam888@gmail.com>
Subject: [asterisk-biz] Colocation and Bandwidth in HK
To: "'Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion'"
| <asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com>
Quote: | Date: Tuesday, May 20, 2008, 12:14 PM
We have just rent a few racks from a small Hong Kong based
Datacenter.
If anyone require off-site backup or adding servers in Hong
Kong then you
are welcomed to email me off the list to discuss the
detail.
Price per U is $35 USD and bandwidth is $60 USD per mb.
Price included APC remote reboot switch and limited usage
on KVM over IP>
Sam_______________________________________________
--Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by
http://www.api-digital.com--
asterisk-biz mailing list
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nk3569 at yahoo.com Guest
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 12:26 pm Post subject: [asterisk-biz] Colocation and Bandwidth in HK |
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They're talking Mega Bit Per Second (MBPS). That's what threw
me off originally too!
--- On Wed, 5/21/08, Tim Panton <thp@westhawk.co.uk> wrote:
Quote: | From: Tim Panton <thp@westhawk.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Colocation and Bandwidth in HK
To: "Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion" <asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com>
Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2008, 1:00 PM
Now I'm very confused.
Are we talking Mega Bytes ?
or Mega Bytes Per Second ?
Mega Bytes per month ?
or something else again?
T.
On 21 May 2008, at 04:08, Dome Charoenyost wrote:
Quote: | 60 Usd / Mbps is cheap if you compare in thailand.
Now i pay 600 Usd / Mbps (For good Quality
| International Link)
Quote: |
Dome C.
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 3:45 AM, Sam Tam
| <samtam888@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: | Quote: | Mbit
Yes that the price in HK, HK is unlike USA or UK
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| and many Europe
Quote: | Quote: | countries
where bandwidth price is still quite costly.
However it is still one of the cheapest place in
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| Asia to get
Behalf Of Nitzan
Quote: | Quote: | Kon
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:28 AM
To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk
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| Discussion
Quote: | Quote: | Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Colocation and
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| Bandwidth in HK
Quote: | Quote: |
$60 per *MB*? is that a typo?
--- On Tue, 5/20/08, Sam Tam
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| <samtam888@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: | Quote: |
Quote: | From: Sam Tam <samtam888@gmail.com>
Subject: [asterisk-biz] Colocation and
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| Bandwidth in HK
Quote: | Quote: | Quote: | To: "'Commercial and
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| Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion'"
Quote: | Quote: | <asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com>
Quote: | Date: Tuesday, May 20, 2008, 12:14 PM
We have just rent a few racks from a small
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| Hong Kong based
Quote: | Quote: | Quote: | Datacenter.
If anyone require off-site backup or adding
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| servers in Hong
Quote: | Quote: | Quote: | Kong then you
are welcomed to email me off the list to
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| discuss the
Quote: | Quote: | Quote: | detail.
Price per U is $35 USD and bandwidth is $60
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| USD per mb.
Quote: | Quote: | Quote: | Price included APC remote reboot switch and
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| limited usage
Sam_______________________________________________
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asterisk-biz mailing list
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samtam888 at gmail.com Guest
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 12:34 pm Post subject: [asterisk-biz] Colocation and Bandwidth in HK |
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M bit per sec
-----Original Message-----
From: asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Tim Panton
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 1:00 AM
To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Colocation and Bandwidth in HK
Now I'm very confused.
Are we talking Mega Bytes ?
or Mega Bytes Per Second ?
Mega Bytes per month ?
or something else again?
T.
On 21 May 2008, at 04:08, Dome Charoenyost wrote:
Quote: | 60 Usd / Mbps is cheap if you compare in thailand.
Now i pay 600 Usd / Mbps (For good Quality International Link)
Dome C.
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 3:45 AM, Sam Tam <samtam888@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: | Mbit
Yes that the price in HK, HK is unlike USA or UK and many Europe
countries
where bandwidth price is still quite costly.
However it is still one of the cheapest place in Asia to get
bandwidth
Sam
-----Original Message-----
From: asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Nitzan
Kon
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:28 AM
To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Colocation and Bandwidth in HK
$60 per *MB*? is that a typo?
--- On Tue, 5/20/08, Sam Tam <samtam888@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: | From: Sam Tam <samtam888@gmail.com>
Subject: [asterisk-biz] Colocation and Bandwidth in HK
To: "'Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion'"
| <asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com>
Quote: | Date: Tuesday, May 20, 2008, 12:14 PM
We have just rent a few racks from a small Hong Kong based
Datacenter.
If anyone require off-site backup or adding servers in Hong
Kong then you
are welcomed to email me off the list to discuss the
detail.
Price per U is $35 USD and bandwidth is $60 USD per mb.
Price included APC remote reboot switch and limited usage
on KVM over IP>
Sam_______________________________________________
--Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by
http://www.api-digital.com--
asterisk-biz mailing list
To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit:
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|
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samtam888 at gmail.com Guest
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 12:35 pm Post subject: [asterisk-biz] Colocation and Bandwidth in HK |
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Mbps
-----Original Message-----
From: asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Tim Panton
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 1:00 AM
To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Colocation and Bandwidth in HK
Now I'm very confused.
Are we talking Mega Bytes ?
or Mega Bytes Per Second ?
Mega Bytes per month ?
or something else again?
T.
On 21 May 2008, at 04:08, Dome Charoenyost wrote:
Quote: | 60 Usd / Mbps is cheap if you compare in thailand.
Now i pay 600 Usd / Mbps (For good Quality International Link)
Dome C.
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 3:45 AM, Sam Tam <samtam888@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: | Mbit
Yes that the price in HK, HK is unlike USA or UK and many Europe
countries
where bandwidth price is still quite costly.
However it is still one of the cheapest place in Asia to get
bandwidth
Sam
-----Original Message-----
From: asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Nitzan
Kon
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:28 AM
To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Colocation and Bandwidth in HK
$60 per *MB*? is that a typo?
--- On Tue, 5/20/08, Sam Tam <samtam888@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: | From: Sam Tam <samtam888@gmail.com>
Subject: [asterisk-biz] Colocation and Bandwidth in HK
To: "'Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion'"
| <asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com>
Quote: | Date: Tuesday, May 20, 2008, 12:14 PM
We have just rent a few racks from a small Hong Kong based
Datacenter.
If anyone require off-site backup or adding servers in Hong
Kong then you
are welcomed to email me off the list to discuss the
detail.
Price per U is $35 USD and bandwidth is $60 USD per mb.
Price included APC remote reboot switch and limited usage
on KVM over IP>
Sam_______________________________________________
--Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by
http://www.api-digital.com--
asterisk-biz mailing list
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jra at baylink.com Guest
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 1:49 pm Post subject: [asterisk-biz] Colocation and Bandwidth in HK |
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On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 01:28:26AM +0800, Sam Tam wrote:
Actually Mb/s, but yes, definitely bits. Notwithstanding that guy who
wrote "Telecom for Dummies", who doesn't think there's actually a
standard that says b=bits, B=bytes, it's been that way for at least 20
years.
Cheers,
-- jra
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Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra@baylink.com
Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100
Ashworth & Associates http://baylink.pitas.com '87 e24
St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274
Those who cast the vote decide nothing.
Those who count the vote decide everything.
-- (Joseph Stalin)
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m345 at netvision.net.il Guest
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 3:51 pm Post subject: [asterisk-biz] Colocation and Bandwidth in HK |
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Sam is using the right term!
When you get a MB in bandwidth you are getting 1 megabit per second
If you are talking about total dats transfer then of course it is megabytes
60 dollars is cheap, but not really, it depends on quantity and quality
For more info http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandwidth_%28computing%29
Nitzan Kon wrote: Quote: | Quote: | They're talking Mega Bit Per Second (MBPS). That's what threw
me off originally too!
--- On Wed, 5/21/08, Tim Panton <thp@westhawk.co.uk> (thp@westhawk.co.uk) wrote:
Quote: | From: Tim Panton <thp@westhawk.co.uk> (thp@westhawk.co.uk)
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Colocation and Bandwidth in HK
To: "Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion" <asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com> (asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com)
Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2008, 1:00 PM
Now I'm very confused.
Are we talking Mega Bytes ?
or Mega Bytes Per Second ?
Mega Bytes per month ?
or something else again?
T.
On 21 May 2008, at 04:08, Dome Charoenyost wrote:
Quote: | 60 Usd / Mbps is cheap if you compare in thailand.
Now i pay 600 Usd / Mbps (For good Quality
| International Link)
Quote: | Dome C.
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 3:45 AM, Sam Tam
| <samtam888@gmail.com> (samtam888@gmail.com) wrote:
Quote: | Quote: | Mbit
Yes that the price in HK, HK is unlike USA or UK
| | and many Europe
Quote: | Quote: | countries
where bandwidth price is still quite costly.
However it is still one of the cheapest place in
| | Asia to get
Quote: | Quote: | From: Tim Panton <thp@westhawk.co.uk> (thp@westhawk.co.uk)
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Colocation and Bandwidth in HK
To: "Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion" <asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com> (asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com)
Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2008, 1:00 PM
Now I'm very confused.
Are we talking Mega Bytes ?
or Mega Bytes Per Second ?
Mega Bytes per month ?
or something else again?
T.
On 21 May 2008, at 04:08, Dome Charoenyost wrote:
| 0 | From: Tim Panton <thp@westhawk.co.uk> (thp@westhawk.co.uk)
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Colocation and Bandwidth in HK
To: "Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion" <asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com> (asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com)
Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2008, 1:00 PM
Now I'm very confused.
Are we talking Mega Bytes ?
or Mega Bytes Per Second ?
Mega Bytes per month ?
or something else again?
T.
On 21 May 2008, at 04:08, Dome Charoenyost wrote:
| 1 Quote: | Quote: | Quote: | From: Tim Panton <thp@westhawk.co.uk> (thp@westhawk.co.uk)
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Colocation and Bandwidth in HK
To: "Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion" <asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com> (asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com)
Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2008, 1:00 PM
Now I'm very confused.
Are we talking Mega Bytes ?
or Mega Bytes Per Second ?
Mega Bytes per month ?
or something else again?
T.
On 21 May 2008, at 04:08, Dome Charoenyost wrote:
| 2 | From: Tim Panton <thp@westhawk.co.uk> (thp@westhawk.co.uk)
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Colocation and Bandwidth in HK
To: "Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion" <asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com> (asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com)
Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2008, 1:00 PM
Now I'm very confused.
Are we talking Mega Bytes ?
or Mega Bytes Per Second ?
Mega Bytes per month ?
or something else again?
T.
On 21 May 2008, at 04:08, Dome Charoenyost wrote:
| 3 Quote: | Quote: | Quote: | From: Tim Panton <thp@westhawk.co.uk> (thp@westhawk.co.uk)
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Colocation and Bandwidth in HK
To: "Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion" <asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com> (asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com)
Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2008, 1:00 PM
Now I'm very confused.
Are we talking Mega Bytes ?
or Mega Bytes Per Second ?
Mega Bytes per month ?
or something else again?
T.
On 21 May 2008, at 04:08, Dome Charoenyost wrote:
| 4 | From: Tim Panton <thp@westhawk.co.uk> (thp@westhawk.co.uk)
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Colocation and Bandwidth in HK
To: "Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion" <asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com> (asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com)
Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2008, 1:00 PM
Now I'm very confused.
Are we talking Mega Bytes ?
or Mega Bytes Per Second ?
Mega Bytes per month ?
or something else again?
T.
On 21 May 2008, at 04:08, Dome Charoenyost wrote:
| 5 Quote: | Quote: | Quote: | From: Tim Panton <thp@westhawk.co.uk> (thp@westhawk.co.uk)
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Colocation and Bandwidth in HK
To: "Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion" <asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com> (asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com)
Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2008, 1:00 PM
Now I'm very confused.
Are we talking Mega Bytes ?
or Mega Bytes Per Second ?
Mega Bytes per month ?
or something else again?
T.
On 21 May 2008, at 04:08, Dome Charoenyost wrote:
| 6 | From: Tim Panton <thp@westhawk.co.uk> (thp@westhawk.co.uk)
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Colocation and Bandwidth in HK
To: "Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion" <asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com> (asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com)
Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2008, 1:00 PM
Now I'm very confused.
Are we talking Mega Bytes ?
or Mega Bytes Per Second ?
Mega Bytes per month ?
or something else again?
T.
On 21 May 2008, at 04:08, Dome Charoenyost wrote:
| 7 Quote: | Quote: | Quote: | Quote: | From: Tim Panton <thp@westhawk.co.uk> (thp@westhawk.co.uk)
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Colocation and Bandwidth in HK
To: "Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion" <asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com> (asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com)
Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2008, 1:00 PM
Now I'm very confused.
Are we talking Mega Bytes ?
or Mega Bytes Per Second ?
Mega Bytes per month ?
or something else again?
T.
On 21 May 2008, at 04:08, Dome Charoenyost wrote:
| 8 | | From: Tim Panton <thp@westhawk.co.uk> (thp@westhawk.co.uk)
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Colocation and Bandwidth in HK
To: "Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion" <asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com> (asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com)
Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2008, 1:00 PM
Now I'm very confused.
Are we talking Mega Bytes ?
or Mega Bytes Per Second ?
Mega Bytes per month ?
or something else again?
T.
On 21 May 2008, at 04:08, Dome Charoenyost wrote:
| 9 Quote: | Quote: | Quote: | Quote: | 60 Usd / Mbps is cheap if you compare in thailand.
Now i pay 600 Usd / Mbps (For good Quality
| 0 | | 60 Usd / Mbps is cheap if you compare in thailand.
Now i pay 600 Usd / Mbps (For good Quality
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Now i pay 600 Usd / Mbps (For good Quality
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Now i pay 600 Usd / Mbps (For good Quality
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Now i pay 600 Usd / Mbps (For good Quality
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Now i pay 600 Usd / Mbps (For good Quality
| 5 | | 60 Usd / Mbps is cheap if you compare in thailand.
Now i pay 600 Usd / Mbps (For good Quality
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Now i pay 600 Usd / Mbps (For good Quality
| 7 | | 60 Usd / Mbps is cheap if you compare in thailand.
Now i pay 600 Usd / Mbps (For good Quality
| 8 Quote: | Quote: | Quote: | Quote: | 60 Usd / Mbps is cheap if you compare in thailand.
Now i pay 600 Usd / Mbps (For good Quality
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 4:15 pm Post subject: [asterisk-biz] Colocation and Bandwidth in HK |
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I'm not sure what country you are comparing your bandwidth prices to, but you can buy high quality transit from Tier 1 providers for $15/Mb.
Also it doesn't make any logical sense at all to think that you use bytes rather than bits to communicate the total data transfer, it is simply a difference in units which at the end of the day should represent the same volume no matter what what you are talking about. Consumer geared language tends to use bytes more (browsers report download speed in bytes etc) but usually at the core everyone talks bits. ethernet is 10/100/1000/10000 mbits etc. If you called up a Verizon/ATT/NTT/Level 3 rep and asked them for a price on 100 mBytes/sec link they would likely send you over to their consumer DSL department until you figured out what you wanted.
On May 21, 2008, at 1:46 PM, Moshe Maeir wrote:
Quote: | Sam is using the right term!
When you get a MB in bandwidth you are getting 1 megabit per second
If you are talking about total dats transfer then of course it is megabytes
60 dollars is cheap, but not really, it depends on quantity and quality
For more info http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandwidth_%28computing%29
Nitzan Kon wrote: Quote: | Quote: | They're talking Mega Bit Per Second (MBPS). That's what threw
me off originally too!
--- On Wed, 5/21/08, Tim Panton <thp@westhawk.co.uk> (thp@westhawk.co.uk) wrote:
Quote: | From: Tim Panton <thp@westhawk.co.uk> (thp@westhawk.co.uk)
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Colocation and Bandwidth in HK
To: "Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion" <asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com> (asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com)
Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2008, 1:00 PM
Now I'm very confused.
Are we talking Mega Bytes ?
or Mega Bytes Per Second ?
Mega Bytes per month ?
or something else again?
T.
On 21 May 2008, at 04:08, Dome Charoenyost wrote:
Quote: | 60 Usd / Mbps is cheap if you compare in thailand.
Now i pay 600 Usd / Mbps (For good Quality
| International Link)
Quote: | Dome C.
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 3:45 AM, Sam Tam
| <samtam888@gmail.com> (samtam888@gmail.com) wrote:
Quote: | Quote: | Mbit
Yes that the price in HK, HK is unlike USA or UK
| | and many Europe
Quote: | Quote: | countries
where bandwidth price is still quite costly.
However it is still one of the cheapest place in
| | Asia to get
Quote: | Quote: | From: Tim Panton <thp@westhawk.co.uk> (thp@westhawk.co.uk)
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Colocation and Bandwidth in HK
To: "Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion" <asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com> (asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com)
Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2008, 1:00 PM
Now I'm very confused.
Are we talking Mega Bytes ?
or Mega Bytes Per Second ?
Mega Bytes per month ?
or something else again?
T.
On 21 May 2008, at 04:08, Dome Charoenyost wrote:
| 0 | From: Tim Panton <thp@westhawk.co.uk> (thp@westhawk.co.uk)
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Colocation and Bandwidth in HK
To: "Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion" <asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com> (asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com)
Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2008, 1:00 PM
Now I'm very confused.
Are we talking Mega Bytes ?
or Mega Bytes Per Second ?
Mega Bytes per month ?
or something else again?
T.
On 21 May 2008, at 04:08, Dome Charoenyost wrote:
| 1 Quote: | Quote: | Quote: | From: Tim Panton <thp@westhawk.co.uk> (thp@westhawk.co.uk)
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Colocation and Bandwidth in HK
To: "Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion" <asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com> (asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com)
Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2008, 1:00 PM
Now I'm very confused.
Are we talking Mega Bytes ?
or Mega Bytes Per Second ?
Mega Bytes per month ?
or something else again?
T.
On 21 May 2008, at 04:08, Dome Charoenyost wrote:
| 2 | From: Tim Panton <thp@westhawk.co.uk> (thp@westhawk.co.uk)
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Colocation and Bandwidth in HK
To: "Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion" <asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com> (asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com)
Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2008, 1:00 PM
Now I'm very confused.
Are we talking Mega Bytes ?
or Mega Bytes Per Second ?
Mega Bytes per month ?
or something else again?
T.
On 21 May 2008, at 04:08, Dome Charoenyost wrote:
| 3 Quote: | Quote: | Quote: | From: Tim Panton <thp@westhawk.co.uk> (thp@westhawk.co.uk)
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Colocation and Bandwidth in HK
To: "Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion" <asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com> (asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com)
Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2008, 1:00 PM
Now I'm very confused.
Are we talking Mega Bytes ?
or Mega Bytes Per Second ?
Mega Bytes per month ?
or something else again?
T.
On 21 May 2008, at 04:08, Dome Charoenyost wrote:
| 4 | From: Tim Panton <thp@westhawk.co.uk> (thp@westhawk.co.uk)
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Colocation and Bandwidth in HK
To: "Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion" <asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com> (asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com)
Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2008, 1:00 PM
Now I'm very confused.
Are we talking Mega Bytes ?
or Mega Bytes Per Second ?
Mega Bytes per month ?
or something else again?
T.
On 21 May 2008, at 04:08, Dome Charoenyost wrote:
| 5 Quote: | Quote: | Quote: | From: Tim Panton <thp@westhawk.co.uk> (thp@westhawk.co.uk)
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Colocation and Bandwidth in HK
To: "Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion" <asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com> (asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com)
Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2008, 1:00 PM
Now I'm very confused.
Are we talking Mega Bytes ?
or Mega Bytes Per Second ?
Mega Bytes per month ?
or something else again?
T.
On 21 May 2008, at 04:08, Dome Charoenyost wrote:
| 6 | From: Tim Panton <thp@westhawk.co.uk> (thp@westhawk.co.uk)
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Colocation and Bandwidth in HK
To: "Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion" <asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com> (asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com)
Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2008, 1:00 PM
Now I'm very confused.
Are we talking Mega Bytes ?
or Mega Bytes Per Second ?
Mega Bytes per month ?
or something else again?
T.
On 21 May 2008, at 04:08, Dome Charoenyost wrote:
| 7 Quote: | Quote: | Quote: | Quote: | From: Tim Panton <thp@westhawk.co.uk> (thp@westhawk.co.uk)
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Colocation and Bandwidth in HK
To: "Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion" <asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com> (asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com)
Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2008, 1:00 PM
Now I'm very confused.
Are we talking Mega Bytes ?
or Mega Bytes Per Second ?
Mega Bytes per month ?
or something else again?
T.
On 21 May 2008, at 04:08, Dome Charoenyost wrote:
| 8 | | From: Tim Panton <thp@westhawk.co.uk> (thp@westhawk.co.uk)
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Colocation and Bandwidth in HK
To: "Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion" <asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com> (asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com)
Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2008, 1:00 PM
Now I'm very confused.
Are we talking Mega Bytes ?
or Mega Bytes Per Second ?
Mega Bytes per month ?
or something else again?
T.
On 21 May 2008, at 04:08, Dome Charoenyost wrote:
| 9 Quote: | Quote: | Quote: | Quote: | 60 Usd / Mbps is cheap if you compare in thailand.
Now i pay 600 Usd / Mbps (For good Quality
| 0 | | 60 Usd / Mbps is cheap if you compare in thailand.
Now i pay 600 Usd / Mbps (For good Quality
| 1 Quote: | Quote: | Quote: | 60 Usd / Mbps is cheap if you compare in thailand.
Now i pay 600 Usd / Mbps (For good Quality
| 2 Quote: | Quote: | 60 Usd / Mbps is cheap if you compare in thailand.
Now i pay 600 Usd / Mbps (For good Quality
| 3 | | 60 Usd / Mbps is cheap if you compare in thailand.
Now i pay 600 Usd / Mbps (For good Quality
| 4 Quote: | Quote: | Quote: | Quote: | 60 Usd / Mbps is cheap if you compare in thailand.
Now i pay 600 Usd / Mbps (For good Quality
| 5 | | 60 Usd / Mbps is cheap if you compare in thailand.
Now i pay 600 Usd / Mbps (For good Quality
| 6 Quote: | Quote: | Quote: | Quote: | 60 Usd / Mbps is cheap if you compare in thailand.
Now i pay 600 Usd / Mbps (For good Quality
| 7 | | 60 Usd / Mbps is cheap if you compare in thailand.
Now i pay 600 Usd / Mbps (For good Quality
| 8 Quote: | Quote: | Quote: | Quote: | 60 Usd / Mbps is cheap if you compare in thailand.
Now i pay 600 Usd / Mbps (For good Quality
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On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 3:45 AM, Sam Tam
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On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 3:45 AM, Sam Tam
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On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 3:45 AM, Sam Tam
| 5 Dome C.
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 3:45 AM, Sam Tam
| 6 Quote: | Quote: | Dome C.
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 3:45 AM, Sam Tam
| 7 Dome C.
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 3:45 AM, Sam Tam
| 8 Dome C.
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Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 3:32 pm Post subject: [asterisk-biz] Colocation and Bandwidth in HK |
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On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 11:46:07PM +0300, Moshe Maeir wrote:
Quote: | Sam is using the right term!
When you get a MB in bandwidth you are getting 1 megabit per second
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Please, no. Conventionally, MB means Mega*byte* (possibly per second,
if it's obvious you're talking about bandwidth). Mb is mega*bit*, an
8:1 difference.
Cheers,
-- jra
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Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 5:14 pm Post subject: [asterisk-biz] Colocation and Bandwidth in HK |
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Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
Quote: | On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 11:46:07PM +0300, Moshe Maeir wrote:
Quote: | Sam is using the right term!
When you get a MB in bandwidth you are getting 1 megabit per second
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Please, no. Conventionally, MB means Mega*byte* (possibly per second,
if it's obvious you're talking about bandwidth). Mb is mega*bit*, an
8:1 difference.
Cheers,
-- jra
| I would think that MB would imply a bytes transferred billing method.
The trailing s is vital because it shows bandwidth is billed by transfer
rate.
Since VOIP is bidirectional, you have to ask providers using bytes
transfer billing if they charge the total in and out.
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v
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Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 12:33 am Post subject: [asterisk-biz] Colocation and Bandwidth in HK |
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Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
Quote: | On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 11:46:07PM +0300, Moshe Maeir wrote:
Quote: | Sam is using the right term!
When you get a MB in bandwidth you are getting 1 megabit per second
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Please, no. Conventionally, MB means Mega*byte* (possibly per second,
if it's obvious you're talking about bandwidth). Mb is mega*bit*, an
8:1 difference.
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For shame, Jay, as you neglected to consult with the Buzzword Bingo
authorities.
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Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 4:26 am Post subject: [asterisk-biz] Colocation and Bandwidth in HK |
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On 21 May 2008, at 22:11, Miles Scruggs wrote:
Quote: | I'm not sure what country you are comparing your bandwidth prices
to, but you can buy high quality transit from Tier 1 providers for
$15/Mb.
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It's often more complicated that just which country the carrier is
offering pricing in. On the supply side, there are several factors
which will affect your *individual* offer of pricing for bandwidth,
such as
- Ease of delivery -- (long lined circuit to your office, vs.
Ethernet presentation to your colo in carrier hotel -- basically
mitigating the costs of transport)
- LEVEL OF COMMIT (Big one -- cost per Mbit if the customer commits
to 20Mb/s will be vastly different to that which will be offered for a
100Mb/s or 500Mb/s commit -- and in fact it may be cheaper to ask for
a huge commit to get pricing into the lowest possible band, and just
use a fragment of the capacity).
- Existing density of deployed ports in pop.
- Presentation technology (port speed, technology)
- Likely traffic profile of customer (how much transport required,
how much can be locally peered off for free)
- Reputation of carrier. Reputation of customer.
- Account managers' mood
On the demand side, there are usual factors that periodically affect
pricing, but since every single carrier will give you a different skew
to the routing table, and therefore vastly different performance to
the destinations you care about, you may be left in a situation where
your option to pick and choose between carriers is limited to the
extent that this has an upward effect on pricing.
With some creative thinking about how to approach effective routing,
redundancy and such, e.g. the use of partial routes products and SFI
to other local carriers, it is possible to build a superb IP network
in a major carrier hotel at a fraction of the price mentioned by Mike
at the top of this email.
This is the sort of thing I like to talk about and help with -- please
ping me off list if you want to talk more.
Best wishes
Andy Davidson
www.devonshire.it
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