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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:10 pm    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] T1 RBS Support Revisited Reply with quote

If RBS means robbed bit signalling then it is transmitted in the media bit
stream but as the name implies it is not used for media. If I remember
correctly the LSB from every sixth frame is robbed leaving 7 bits and 1 faked
which would probably be correct about 50% of the time. RBS introduces a small
amount of distortion. The channel bank will use the state of the signalling
bit to set the M lead (on or offhook ) of the appropriate channel. The E lead
sets the signalling bit for the other direction. Think Ear and Mouth.

MF of course is encoded into the bit stream the same as any other audio
source. To avoid RBS, on/offhook can be transmitted using SF ( 2600 HZ ) in
band. You would want to disable RBS in that case. Compatible equipment is
required obviously.

On Thursday 21 August 2008, Brian West wrote:
Quote:
Isn't RBS more than just MF? Unless I'm forgetting something you rob
a bit.

/b

On Aug 21, 2008, at 7:44 PM, John Wehle wrote:
Quote:
Quote:
Is there support in FreeSWITCH for MF?

To answer my own question ...

Perhaps I can add a ZAP_COMMAND_SEND_MF case to zap_channel_command
patterned after ZAP_COMMAND_SEND_DTMF and just use teletone_set_tone
to set the proper frequencies???

-- John
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:57 am    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] T1 RBS Support Revisited Reply with quote

BTW,

I happen to have both a line side and a trunk side T1 card for my NEC
2400 PBX. I've done this sort of thing with asterisk and it worked
pretty well. Please let me know when you are ready for someone to do
some testing.

-MC

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 21, 2008, at 8:08 PM, Robert Dyck <rob.dyck@telus.net> wrote:

Quote:
If RBS means robbed bit signalling then it is transmitted in the
media bit
stream but as the name implies it is not used for media. If I remember
correctly the LSB from every sixth frame is robbed leaving 7 bits
and 1 faked
which would probably be correct about 50% of the time. RBS
introduces a small
amount of distortion. The channel bank will use the state of the
signalling
bit to set the M lead (on or offhook ) of the appropriate channel.
The E lead
sets the signalling bit for the other direction. Think Ear and Mouth.

MF of course is encoded into the bit stream the same as any other
audio
source. To avoid RBS, on/offhook can be transmitted using SF ( 2600
HZ ) in
band. You would want to disable RBS in that case. Compatible
equipment is
required obviously.

On Thursday 21 August 2008, Brian West wrote:
Quote:
Isn't RBS more than just MF? Unless I'm forgetting something you rob
a bit.

/b

On Aug 21, 2008, at 7:44 PM, John Wehle wrote:
Quote:
Quote:
Is there support in FreeSWITCH for MF?

To answer my own question ...

Perhaps I can add a ZAP_COMMAND_SEND_MF case to zap_channel_command
patterned after ZAP_COMMAND_SEND_DTMF and just use teletone_set_tone
to set the proper frequencies???

-- John
---
---
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john@feith.com |

| John Wehle | Fax: 1-215-540-5495

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 4:13 am    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] T1 RBS Support Revisited Reply with quote

Rob I believe you have the grasp of RBS. It has nothing to do with MF or the type of signaling per se but rather the encoding of the signaling as you have described it here.

Dennis Hock

-----freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org wrote: -----

Quote:
To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org
From: Robert Dyck <rob.dyck@telus.net>
Sent by: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org
Date: 08/21/2008 11:08PM
Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] T1 RBS Support Revisited

If RBS means robbed bit signalling then it is transmitted in the media bit
stream but as the name implies it is not used for media. If I remember
correctly the LSB from every sixth frame is robbed leaving 7 bits and 1 faked
which would probably be correct about 50% of the time. RBS introduces a small
amount of distortion. The channel bank will use the state of the signalling
bit to set the M lead (on or offhook ) of the appropriate channel. The E lead
sets the signalling bit for the other direction. Think Ear and Mouth.

MF of course is encoded into the bit stream the same as any other audio
source. To avoid RBS, on/offhook can be transmitted using SF ( 2600 HZ ) in
band. You would want to disable RBS in that case. Compatible equipment is
required obviously.

On Thursday 21 August 2008, Brian West wrote:
Quote:
Isn't RBS more than just MF? Unless I'm forgetting something you rob
a bit.

/b

On Aug 21, 2008, at 7:44 PM, John Wehle wrote:
Quote:
Quote:
Is there support in FreeSWITCH for MF?

To answer my own question ...

Perhaps I can add a ZAP_COMMAND_SEND_MF case to zap_channel_command
patterned after ZAP_COMMAND_SEND_DTMF and just use teletone_set_tone
to set the proper frequencies???

-- John
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

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john@feith.com |

| John Wehle | Fax: 1-215-540-5495

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:43 am    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] T1 RBS Support Revisited Reply with quote

I messed up. The E lead receives signalling whereas the M lead is used to send
to the far end.

On Friday 22 August 2008, Dennis D Hock wrote:
Quote:
Rob I believe you have the grasp of RBS. It has nothing to do with MF or
the type of signaling per se but rather the encoding of the signaling as
you have described it here.

Dennis Hock

-----freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org wrote: -----


To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org
From: Robert Dyck <rob.dyck@telus.net>
Sent by: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org
Date: 08/21/2008 11:08PM
Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] T1 RBS Support Revisited

If RBS means robbed bit signalling then it is transmitted in the media bit
stream but as the name implies it is not used for media. If I remember
correctly the LSB from every sixth frame is robbed leaving 7 bits and 1
faked which would probably be correct about 50% of the time. RBS introduces
a small amount of distortion. The channel bank will use the state of the
signalling bit to set the M lead (on or offhook ) of the appropriate
channel. The E lead sets the signalling bit for the other direction. Think
Ear and Mouth.

MF of course is encoded into the bit stream the same as any other audio
source. To avoid RBS, on/offhook can be transmitted using SF ( 2600 HZ ) in
band. You would want to disable RBS in that case. Compatible equipment is
required obviously.

On Thursday 21 August 2008, Brian West wrote:
Quote:
Isn't RBS more than just MF? Unless I'm forgetting something you rob
a bit.

/b

On Aug 21, 2008, at 7:44 PM, John Wehle wrote:
Quote:
Quote:
Is there support in FreeSWITCH for MF?

To answer my own question ...

Perhaps I can add a ZAP_COMMAND_SEND_MF case to zap_channel_command
patterned after ZAP_COMMAND_SEND_DTMF and just use teletone_set_tone
to set the proper frequencies???

-- John
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:52 am    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] T1 RBS Support Revisited Reply with quote

I reread your post and you are correct. been a long time for me working with E&M guess I am getting old as I didn't recognize what you had said until I reread it.

Easy enough to Google it or if a person has access to almost any copy of the "Notes on the Networks". A good description is included in any version of that documenrt as well as other places.

Take care,

Dennis Hock

-----Robert Dyck <rob.dyck@telus.net> wrote: -----

Quote:
To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org
From: Robert Dyck <rob.dyck@telus.net>
Date: 08/22/2008 11:40AM
cc: Dennis D Hock <hockd@dteenergy.com>
Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] T1 RBS Support Revisited

I messed up. The E lead receives signalling whereas the M lead is used to send
to the far end.

On Friday 22 August 2008, Dennis D Hock wrote:
Quote:
Rob I believe you have the grasp of RBS. It has nothing to do with MF or
the type of signaling per se but rather the encoding of the signaling as
you have described it here.

Dennis Hock

-----freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org wrote: -----


To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org
From: Robert Dyck <rob.dyck@telus.net>
Sent by: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org
Date: 08/21/2008 11:08PM
Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] T1 RBS Support Revisited

If RBS means robbed bit signalling then it is transmitted in the media bit
stream but as the name implies it is not used for media. If I remember
correctly the LSB from every sixth frame is robbed leaving 7 bits and 1
faked which would probably be correct about 50% of the time. RBS introduces
a small amount of distortion. The channel bank will use the state of the
signalling bit to set the M lead (on or offhook ) of the appropriate
channel. The E lead sets the signalling bit for the other direction. Think
Ear and Mouth.

MF of course is encoded into the bit stream the same as any other audio
source. To avoid RBS, on/offhook can be transmitted using SF ( 2600 HZ ) in
band. You would want to disable RBS in that case. Compatible equipment is
required obviously.

On Thursday 21 August 2008, Brian West wrote:
Quote:
Isn't RBS more than just MF? Unless I'm forgetting something you rob
a bit.

/b

On Aug 21, 2008, at 7:44 PM, John Wehle wrote:
Quote:
Quote:
Is there support in FreeSWITCH for MF?

To answer my own question ...

Perhaps I can add a ZAP_COMMAND_SEND_MF case to zap_channel_command
patterned after ZAP_COMMAND_SEND_DTMF and just use teletone_set_tone
to set the proper frequencies???

-- John
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:52 am    Post subject: [Freeswitch-users] T1 RBS Support Revisited Reply with quote

FYI,

I have a copy of Matthew Gast’s T1 – A Survival Guide and it goes over all this stuff pretty well.
-MC


From: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Dennis D Hock
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 8:50 AM
To: Robert Dyck
Cc: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org
Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] T1 RBS Support Revisited


I reread your post and you are correct. been a long time for me working with E&M guess I am getting old as I didn't recognize what you had said until I reread it.



Easy enough to Google it or if a person has access to almost any copy of the "Notes on the Networks". A good description is included in any version of that documenrt as well as other places.



Take care,


Dennis Hock

-----Robert Dyck <rob.dyck@telus.net> wrote: -----
To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org
From: Robert Dyck <rob.dyck@telus.net>
Date: 08/22/2008 11:40AM
cc: Dennis D Hock <hockd@dteenergy.com>
Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] T1 RBS Support Revisited

I messed up. The E lead receives signalling whereas the M lead is used to send
to the far end.

On Friday 22 August 2008, Dennis D Hock wrote:
Quote:
Rob I believe you have the grasp of RBS. It has nothing to do with MF or
the type of signaling per se but rather the encoding of the signaling as
you have described it here.

Dennis Hock

-----freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org wrote: -----


To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org
From: Robert Dyck <rob.dyck@telus.net>
Sent by: freeswitch-users-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org
Date: 08/21/2008 11:08PM
Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] T1 RBS Support Revisited

If RBS means robbed bit signalling then it is transmitted in the media bit
stream but as the name implies it is not used for media. If I remember
correctly the LSB from every sixth frame is robbed leaving 7 bits and 1
faked which would probably be correct about 50% of the time. RBS introduces
a small amount of distortion. The channel bank will use the state of the
signalling bit to set the M lead (on or offhook ) of the appropriate
channel. The E lead sets the signalling bit for the other direction. Think
Ear and Mouth.

MF of course is encoded into the bit stream the same as any other audio
source. To avoid RBS, on/offhook can be transmitted using SF ( 2600 HZ ) in
band. You would want to disable RBS in that case. Compatible equipment is
required obviously.

On Thursday 21 August 2008, Brian West wrote:
Quote:
Isn't RBS more than just MF? Unless I'm forgetting something you rob
a bit.

/b

On Aug 21, 2008, at 7:44 PM, John Wehle wrote:
Quote:
Quote:
Is there support in FreeSWITCH for MF?

To answer my own question ...

Perhaps I can add a ZAP_COMMAND_SEND_MF case to zap_channel_command
patterned after ZAP_COMMAND_SEND_DTMF and just use teletone_set_tone
to set the proper frequencies???

-- John
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