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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 2:47 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-biz] Pulver media in trouble ? Reply with quote

On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 01:57:59PM -0400, Steve Totaro wrote:
Quote:
Quote:
Whatever the association may be between Pulver Media and Astricon, it
would appear that it's a sufficiently high-level connection that if
Pulver folded, it might jeopardize Astricon -- people clearly *think*
there's a connection, and that's really enough, no?

Give me one reference. All I have seen is Pulver events focusing more
and more on Asterisk, Mark Spencer, and the Adtran guys.

I had been informed that Pulver Media had taken over production of the
conferences. I believed my source (another past Astricon speaker) to
be in a position to know, but the possibility exists that I might have
misunderstood him.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:08 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-biz] Pulver media in trouble ? Reply with quote

If you go to the Astricon web site and look at the links, you will see that the show is produced by Pulvermedia.

Digium bought Sokol who previously produced Astricon, but Digium is not a show producer so they made some kind of deal with Pulvermedia to produce the show. Producing a show is not simple and is rather expensive. You would probably be surprised to know how much a show like this costs to produce.
The costs from first hand knowledge are more than the $150k that someone calculated above as potential income.
Not only that many of the participants get free passes, for numerous reasons.

A big chunk of income are the sponsorships, which is one of the reasons to bring in a professional producer, they bring in the
big sponsors.

In any case I would assume that if Pulvermedia does go under (which I hope not) Digium will find another company to partner with,
though that may not save this years show.

Just my 2 cents...
Moshe



Steve Totaro wrote:
Quote:
Quote:
I could be wrong, but Pulvermedia has NOTHING to do with Astricon.
Digium runs the show.

Thanks,
Steve Totaro

On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 12:49 PM, Moshe Maeir <m345@netvision.net.il> (m345@netvision.net.il) wrote:
Quote:
I thought Digium owns Astricon and Pulvermedia just produces the show?


Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 11:50:59AM -0400, Steve Totaro wrote:

Who cares what is going on? Von was a niche in th late 90s early
2000's,
that niche is gone to mainstream tech.

Um, Pulver Media owns Astricon, now, no?

I suspect we all might have an
interest...

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:32 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-biz] Pulver media in trouble ? Reply with quote

Hmm, I guess maybe I was wrong.

Anyways, Sokol should just buy it back for next to nothing and take
the money and run. They obviously had the wearwithall to do it well.

I am sure a grassroots "Astricon" (if Digium doesn't claim
infringment) would work too.

Thanks,
Steve Totaro

On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 4:02 PM, Moshe Maeir <m345@netvision.net.il> wrote:
Quote:
If you go to the Astricon web site and look at the links, you will see that
the show is produced by Pulvermedia.

Digium bought Sokol who previously produced Astricon, but Digium is not a
show producer so they made some kind of deal with Pulvermedia to produce the
show. Producing a show is not simple and is rather expensive. You would
probably be surprised to know how much a show like this costs to produce.
The costs from first hand knowledge are more than the $150k that someone
calculated above as potential income.
Not only that many of the participants get free passes, for numerous
reasons.

A big chunk of income are the sponsorships, which is one of the reasons to
bring in a professional producer, they bring in the
big sponsors.

In any case I would assume that if Pulvermedia does go under (which I hope
not) Digium will find another company to partner with,
though that may not save this years show.

Just my 2 cents...
Moshe




Steve Totaro wrote:
I could be wrong, but Pulvermedia has NOTHING to do with Astricon.
Digium
runs the show.

Thanks,
Steve Totaro

On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 12:49 PM, Moshe
Maeir <m345@netvision.net.il> wrote:

I thought Digium owns Astricon and Pulvermedia just produces the show?


Jay
R. Ashworth wrote:
On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 11:50:59AM -0400, Steve Totaro
wrote:

Who cares what is going on? Von was a niche in th late 90s
early
2000's,
that niche is gone to mainstream tech.

Um, Pulver Media owns
Astricon, now, no?

I suspect we all might have an
interest...

Cheers,
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 4:23 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-biz] Pulver media in trouble ? Reply with quote

On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 11:02:48PM +0300, Moshe Maeir wrote:
Quote:
If you go to the Astricon web site and look at the links, you will
see that the show is produced by Pulvermedia.

I went and looked for this, and didn't explicitly find it, which is why
I temporized...

Quote:
Digium bought Sokol who previously produced Astricon, but Digium is
not a show producer so they made some kind of deal with Pulvermedia
to produce the show.

This comports with the story as it was told to me, point for point.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 4:48 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-biz] Pulver media in trouble ? Reply with quote

I am actually for a grassroots "Astricon" (non-profit). I think it
could be pulled off very well and prove something very powerful to the
community and the industry.

If we could all get comp suites at AC or Vegas then we can pool that
saved money for conference room space and brown bag lunches.

The above was sort of a joke but the idea is not. We all have a few
degrees of separation from someone that could help for free or cost if
you call in a favor.

I actually have access to a large facility for presentations that I am
sure I could use for free.

Thanks,
Steve Totaro

On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 4:28 PM, Steve Totaro
<stotaro@totarotechnologies.com> wrote:
Quote:
Hmm, I guess maybe I was wrong.

Anyways, Sokol should just buy it back for next to nothing and take
the money and run. They obviously had the wearwithall to do it well.

I am sure a grassroots "Astricon" (if Digium doesn't claim
infringment) would work too.

Thanks,
Steve Totaro


On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 4:02 PM, Moshe Maeir <m345@netvision.net.il> wrote:
Quote:
If you go to the Astricon web site and look at the links, you will see that
the show is produced by Pulvermedia.

Digium bought Sokol who previously produced Astricon, but Digium is not a
show producer so they made some kind of deal with Pulvermedia to produce the
show. Producing a show is not simple and is rather expensive. You would
probably be surprised to know how much a show like this costs to produce.
The costs from first hand knowledge are more than the $150k that someone
calculated above as potential income.
Not only that many of the participants get free passes, for numerous
reasons.

A big chunk of income are the sponsorships, which is one of the reasons to
bring in a professional producer, they bring in the
big sponsors.

In any case I would assume that if Pulvermedia does go under (which I hope
not) Digium will find another company to partner with,
though that may not save this years show.

Just my 2 cents...
Moshe




Steve Totaro wrote:
I could be wrong, but Pulvermedia has NOTHING to do with Astricon.
Digium
runs the show.

Thanks,
Steve Totaro

On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 12:49 PM, Moshe
Maeir <m345@netvision.net.il> wrote:

I thought Digium owns Astricon and Pulvermedia just produces the show?


Jay
R. Ashworth wrote:
On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 11:50:59AM -0400, Steve Totaro
wrote:

Who cares what is going on? Von was a niche in th late 90s
early
2000's,
that niche is gone to mainstream tech.

Um, Pulver Media owns
Astricon, now, no?

I suspect we all might have an
interest...

Cheers,
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 5:38 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-biz] Pulver media in trouble ? Reply with quote

As someone who has been involved w/ producing a show w/ attendance in the
1,500 attendee range for the past 5 years, I can tell you that even doing
things on a budget costs about $65,000 / day. This is with making people pay
for their own lunch. Did you know that a pot of coffee costs about $300? And
Internet access in a Union run trade-show facility can be about $12,000 a
day. When you sign an agreement w/ a trade-show venue, you are also signing
an agreement that states you will use their specific approved vendors, all
of which have mind blowingly high prices. You sacrifice cost effectiveness
for efficiency.

65k is what the Ohio Linuxfest costs to put on. Almost 50% of the money
comes from the community in the form of $65 donations for an "All Conference
Pass". The rest of it is provided by sponsors who want to reach the
community.

I'd be very shocked if Astricon gets shelved because of the issues w/ Pulver
however. Astricon is still "the Asterisk show" for all intents and purposes,
and I personally believe it is far too important to just get canned.



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 6:06 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-biz] Pulver media in trouble ? Reply with quote

Ad I said

On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 6:30 PM, Gregory Boehnlein <damin@nacs.net> wrote:
Quote:
As someone who has been involved w/ producing a show w/ attendance in the
1,500 attendee range for the past 5 years, I can tell you that even doing
things on a budget costs about $65,000 / day. This is with making people pay
for their own lunch. Did you know that a pot of coffee costs about $300? And
Internet access in a Union run trade-show facility can be about $12,000 a
day. When you sign an agreement w/ a trade-show venue, you are also signing
an agreement that states you will use their specific approved vendors, all
of which have mind blowingly high prices. You sacrifice cost effectiveness
for efficiency.

65k is what the Ohio Linuxfest costs to put on. Almost 50% of the money
comes from the community in the form of $65 donations for an "All Conference
Pass". The rest of it is provided by sponsors who want to reach the
community.

I'd be very shocked if Astricon gets shelved because of the issues w/ Pulver
however. Astricon is still "the Asterisk show" for all intents and purposes,
and I personally believe it is far too important to just get canned.



As I have said, I have a very good friend with a two huge auditoriums,
many separate rooms, 64 acres of land, several houses on his farm,
T1s, FiOS, a complete POP room, and WiFI everywhere. The same guy
owns a resaurant.

There are a good many good restuarants or fast food withing a few
minutes driving time and all the hotels are cheap.

I guess you don't really get the concept of grassroots.

Thanks,
Steve

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 6:19 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-biz] Pulver media in trouble ? Reply with quote

On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 07:01:14PM -0400, Steve Totaro wrote:
Quote:
As I have said, I have a very good friend with a two huge auditoriums,
many separate rooms, 64 acres of land, several houses on his farm,
T1s, FiOS, a complete POP room, and WiFI everywhere. The same guy
owns a resaurant.

There are a good many good restuarants or fast food withing a few
minutes driving time and all the hotels are cheap.

I guess you don't really get the concept of grassroots.

I do, but I also what a view I would term 'realistic', and that I
suspect you might term 'overly particular' about the expectations of an
audience.

I may not properly apprehend the target audience of Astricon, but from
what I've been told, it's at least 40-50% suits these days, rather than
100% ponytails. I suspect the suits won't be interested in going to
Yasgur's Farm.

Is this Yasgur's Farm, Steve? Smile

Cheers,
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 6:25 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-biz] Pulver media in trouble ? Reply with quote

Quote:
As I have said, I have a very good friend with a two huge auditoriums,
many separate rooms, 64 acres of land, several houses on his farm,
T1s, FiOS, a complete POP room, and WiFI everywhere. The same guy
owns a resaurant.

There are a good many good restuarants or fast food withing a few
minutes driving time and all the hotels are cheap.

I guess you don't really get the concept of grassroots.

No. I get it. Ohio Linuxfest started, and is today, a grass roots, all
volunteer organized conference. Has been since it's inception. It's free to
attend, and not one person takes a salary from it. It also happens to have
grown into the largest volunteer organized Open Source conference in the
Midwest.

So, yes, I'm VERY familiar with the concept of grass roots, raising sponsors
and all aspects of managing and putting on a tradeshow. It's been my "hobby"
as one of the key organizers of OLF and one of the ways that I contribute
back to the community.

If you believe that you are capable of putting on a grass roots Astricon
styled show, then by all means go for it. You apparently have a location in
mind, which is a start.

How do you think you'll proceed? Please let the list know if there is
anything that you need.



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 6:30 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-biz] Pulver media in trouble ? Reply with quote

Quote:
Quote:
I guess you don't really get the concept of grassroots.

I do, but I also what a view I would term 'realistic', and that I
suspect you might term 'overly particular' about the expectations of an
audience.

I may not properly apprehend the target audience of Astricon, but from
what I've been told, it's at least 40-50% suits these days, rather than
100% ponytails. I suspect the suits won't be interested in going to
Yasgur's Farm.

Is this Yasgur's Farm, Steve? Smile

Astristock?



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 6:31 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-biz] Pulver media in trouble ? Reply with quote

On Sun, 2008-04-06 at 19:01 -0400, Steve Totaro wrote:

Quote:
As I have said, I have a very good friend with a two huge auditoriums,
many separate rooms, 64 acres of land, several houses on his farm,
T1s, FiOS, a complete POP room, and WiFI everywhere. The same guy
owns a resaurant.


It really depends on location, if you goto most of the large conference
centers in the US you will find that to be the case. In Chigago there
is one that has a food court in the center even, so you dont have to pay
as insane of prices for food.

Most of the hotel ones are a scam straight up. You have room
commitments and really dont get that much of a deal on other stuff, they
still charge $3 or whatever for a can of soda, etc.

RAI in NL has reasonable rates for many services, I think its 50€/day
for an AV tech to work the sound board, they can provide almost
everything themselves, and there are some options to have your own
stuff, they have small rooms or you can rent the entire thing (which
isnt cheap, but per sq foot its obviously cheaper than just a small
room). I think they even offer DECT service in the center, so
participants can remain in contact.

Given how well connected they are (few minutes by tram to the center of
amsterdam) and the fact that their prices are much more reasonable than
what was previously mentioned, it does show that there are places that
arent insanely priced, yet are quite suitable. This is of course just
one example, as was yours although somewhat different in nature (you
mentioned a farm, implying somewhat rural, amsterdam is hardly rural :)


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 10:56 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-biz] Pulver media in trouble ? Reply with quote

All,

I am currently asking as to whether he would be willing to allow or
even go so far as participate. He also owns a restaurant that does
catering, that could come in handy.

The location is just nort of Harrisburg PA.

No more rural than the last Astricon, you can actually get to a large
variety of things like restaurants and malls by walking and not see
any wild pigs or wolves like AZ.

Yes, it is classified as a "Farm", but it is owned by one of the
co-authors of SNMP and a co-founder of PSINet, so you know it is not
just a "Farm"

The guy is one of us, not some "Wedding Planner" but he has staff that
deals with things like this.

My stuff is collocated there.

I fired off an email asking. If he says yes or no, it doesn't really
much matter at this point. We have to see what is going down with
Pulver Media and Asricon as is. The good new is that my friend know
Jeff personally and to not have "any" kind of Astricon would not be
acceptable.

Thanks,
Steve Totaro

On 4/6/08, Gregory Boehnlein <damin@nacs.net> wrote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
I guess you don't really get the concept of grassroots.

I do, but I also what a view I would term 'realistic', and that I
suspect you might term 'overly particular' about the expectations of an
audience.

I may not properly apprehend the target audience of Astricon, but from
what I've been told, it's at least 40-50% suits these days, rather than
100% ponytails. I suspect the suits won't be interested in going to
Yasgur's Farm.

Is this Yasgur's Farm, Steve? Smile

Astristock?



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:04 pm    Post subject: [asterisk-biz] Pulver media in trouble ? Reply with quote

On 4/6/08, Gregory Boehnlein <damin@nacs.net> wrote:
Quote:
Quote:
As I have said, I have a very good friend with a two huge auditoriums,
many separate rooms, 64 acres of land, several houses on his farm,
T1s, FiOS, a complete POP room, and WiFI everywhere. The same guy
owns a resaurant.

There are a good many good restuarants or fast food withing a few
minutes driving time and all the hotels are cheap.

I guess you don't really get the concept of grassroots.

No. I get it. Ohio Linuxfest started, and is today, a grass roots, all
volunteer organized conference. Has been since it's inception. It's free to
attend, and not one person takes a salary from it. It also happens to have
grown into the largest volunteer organized Open Source conference in the
Midwest.

So, yes, I'm VERY familiar with the concept of grass roots, raising sponsors
and all aspects of managing and putting on a tradeshow. It's been my "hobby"
as one of the key organizers of OLF and one of the ways that I contribute
back to the community.

If you believe that you are capable of putting on a grass roots Astricon
styled show, then by all means go for it. You apparently have a location in
mind, which is a start.

How do you think you'll proceed? Please let the list know if there is
anything that you need.


I am quite sure it could be pulled off and I would love your help.

As I said, not having some form of Astricon, whether sanctioned by
Digium or not is unacceptable.

I am waiting on the reply for the "Farm". Without that, it makes
things MUCH harder because of costs, but I have a feeling I might get
a "yes".

Anyways, if people are not open to the idea or there is some other
form of Astricon put on by Sokol or Digium, then I would not compete
against it unless there was some good speakers on the East Coast that
would prefer to stay local. Not sure what the head count would need
to be but I would say a hundred or two with good speakers would make a
good Astricon.

Thanks,
Steve Totaro

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 2:11 am    Post subject: [asterisk-biz] Pulver media in trouble ? Reply with quote

Regarding Pulver Media, I just spoke to someone close to Jeff Pulver
who tells me a statement is expected soon. I know that VON was called
Video on the Net the last time I saw it in print and wasn't about VoIP
specifically.

I went to two Astricons (in Europe) and I don't recall seeing Pulver
media at either one. Jeff Pulver's latest project is
primetimererun.com which allows you to watch popular tv shows on a
browser. Works great, too by the way. Nothing to do with Astricon or
Pulver Media though.

Within this community I think the service we can be happy for is FWD
because so many people have tested asterisk using it and some even
came to installing asterisk by starting with FWD and getting hooked.
That's what happend to me.

/r

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 7:14 am    Post subject: [asterisk-biz] Pulver media in trouble ? Reply with quote

On 4/7/08, randulo <spamsucks2005@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
Regarding Pulver Media, I just spoke to someone close to Jeff Pulver
who tells me a statement is expected soon. I know that VON was called
Video on the Net the last time I saw it in print and wasn't about VoIP
specifically.

I went to two Astricons (in Europe) and I don't recall seeing Pulver
media at either one. Jeff Pulver's latest project is
primetimererun.com which allows you to watch popular tv shows on a
browser. Works great, too by the way. Nothing to do with Astricon or
Pulver Media though.

Within this community I think the service we can be happy for is FWD
because so many people have tested asterisk using it and some even
came to installing asterisk by starting with FWD and getting hooked.
That's what happend to me.

Hello,

Just to help clarify the relationship between Astricon and Pulver,
here is an email I received last month from the COO of Pulvermedia:



As you may be aware, Pulvermedia has partnered with Digium to produce
their annual gathering of the Asterisk Open Source Telephony
community, otherwise known as AstriCon. Now in its 5th year, AstriCon
2008 will take place in Glendale, Arizona on September 23rd through
the 25th. If selling products or services in the exploding open
source IP telephony market is part of your company's growth strategy,
you need to tap into and leverage the audience that will be at
AstriCon.

Please visit the AstriCon 2008 web site to learn more at – www.astricon.net

This week marks the official opening of the event floor, for companies
who wish to reserve space, sponsorships and event marketing
opportunities. Don't miss this limited opportunity to join us in
September; space and sponsorships are in short supply so please
contact me today to secure your presence at AstriCon 2008.



I have emailed him a few times and received no response in 4 weeks so
I don't really know what to think at this time.

MATT---

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